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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Big Bait Big Fish! Reply with quote

Hey guys I just was doing some thinking in regards to baits for king mackerel. I have been fishing for kings for a few years now and I am ready to try something new. I have the pogies and cigars down but occasionally I heat guys using bigger. My question is would it be worth taking the time and catching some blues or mullets around the pogie pods. I have caught them before just never used them for bait. I was just wondering if its a common thing or just stick with the basics. Thanks guys
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blues catch a bunch of king mackerel off the pier. If you want a big king only, a 3 lb bluefish will work great.  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES and YES! Big blues are perfect and mullet also! I always go out and try to catch some blues for tournament time!  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you just run them in with your regular spread with pogies? Or do they swim too fast and all over the place?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blues are are a bit more aggressive and to fast to run with pogies. I have never run them with pogies. Figured they might actually chase the pogies too.
Mullet are a bit faster also. I would stick to keeping like items with like items in the water. You may end up with a mess of tangled lines. Or you could just run 3 lines and make sure there is plenty of separation for them.
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought bluefish weren't very hardy. I'm surprised that you can keep them alive on a hook.

When we do charters for winter kings off hatteras, they prefer to use live menhaden, can't get them too big.
King macks eat them like candy.
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bluefish are hardy as hell on a hook. They will live a long time. Kings love them.

Preferred bait for big kings is bluefish > turbo menhaden > live cigar > dead cigar.

Ribbonfish catch a bunch of kings as well, but also get sharked a lot.
  
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how, exactly, do you rig your blues for trolling?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same way as a menhaden, but depending on the size of the blue might throw an extra hook on there.

So for a big blue it would be a nose hook, one in from of the dorsal fin and one behind the dorsal fin. Put him out on a long line, run a double pogy in the prop wash and hope you dont get dumped when the big one hits.
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a toss up. A blue fish is about as hardy a bait you can have besides mullet, especially the bigger ones. The smaller ones will die quick on a hook at times especially if they look beat to begin with. We were only able to catch bluefish for the open. We had a pen at wrightsville which limited our options slightly since we wanted to fish clean water offshore. We couldn't run the river bc the crap in it killed my first batch before I got them back to the pen on wednesday.

Anyway, We caught 25 on thursday, in the livewell for a good bit, Ran them in the ocean to wrightsville, penned them up overnight, Came and picked them all up on friday morning. Fished all day friday, went to weigh and then ran back in the ocean to wrightsville and dropped off about 17 of them in the pen. Sat came back to 3 dead, grabbed the rest and repeated the process. By midday sat they were about beat and we ran through the rest fairly quick. But menhaden would have never took that kind of abuse.

We usually don't catch them every tournament and honestly have caught much bigger fish on menhaden then blues. Most of the bigger tournament winners will come on menhaden than blues if you look historically. Usually more folks run menhaden than blues. Piers will catch bigger fish on blues all the time but that's bc more times than not blues are more available to them then menhaden.

Lastly, I have ran a mix of blues and menhaden trolling all the time. No issues. The bait sort of knows it's limited to some extent and after an initial drop in the water a blue will calm down and do as it's suppose to. Might not make sense but you can find out what I'm talking about if you ever run them. My favorite place for one is on a shotgun line out by itself.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a side note, elephants eat peanuts so big bait can produce big fish, but not always the case
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we run blues on our prop bait sometimes with pogies in the rest of the spread and they do pretty good as long as someone pays attention to the way he swims, we think the way they shoot around from side to side they attract more attention. just my experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing that I would like to try is the double pogie rig. I know that it no secret to you guys that have been king fishing for years. Could I get a brief description on making one? or even a picture maybe. I make all of my regular king rigs now. Its got to be a similar process id assume.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's two different variations. One that is inline, basically just add an extra treble. First pogy gets hooked in the nose by the front treble, then the second pogy gets hooked in the nose with the second treble and the stinger either swings free or gets put in the second baits back, depending on personal preference. Other version uses a small three way swivel.  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the three way swivel method. It actually does a better job at attracting fish due to there erratic behavior over the inline. Inline version is more like a bigger bait presentation. I don't have any one me but pretty simple. You could really use a bluefish rig for an inline, three way you make 2 single rugs, I like one shorter than the other, attach each to one spot on the 3 way. Then line to the last. I use vmc three ways, I like the ones that are even spaced. I tried others but haven't had great results with them
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love to pull a bluefish especially in Morehead they swim down in the water column where the hogs lay below the bait balls.  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Water Candy sells the dbl made with a 3-way.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will, you like the VMCs more than the Spros?  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wavescrash wrote:
Will, you like the VMCs more than the Spros?


Yes. You donít find the vmc products as available as spro so most only use those. But my 40# vmc are way smaller than spro and the three ways are as well. Iíll post a comparison of a rosco 30# super swivel vs the vmc. I have a crap load of roscos if anyone is interested. I know itís not the same comparison as the spro but shameless plug to get rid of some. 😁

Bottom of pic is vmc top is rosco.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell I order half my mess anyway. Its impossible to tell size comparisons though. Thanks for the heads up! I use the 35 lb SPRO power swivels for my barrel swivels, and they are tiny.  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wavescrash wrote:
Hell I order half my mess anyway. Its impossible to tell size comparisons though. Thanks for the heads up! I use the 35 lb SPRO power swivels for my barrel swivels, and they are tiny.


The 35 spro is probably pretty close to the 40 vmc. Hereís a vmc tied on a rig. I order all my stuff anyway as there really isnít any tackle stores anywhere near me. I get vmc hooks so swivels and all in one place.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks about the same size. I get most of my king mack stuff from OIFC and they carry all SPRO. I figure its hard to go wrong using what Brant uses.  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wavescrash wrote:
Looks about the same size. I get most of my king mack stuff from OIFC and they carry all SPRO. I figure its hard to go wrong using what Brant uses.


Thatís right. Hereís my 3 way
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks pretty similar to the size OIFC sells.  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big baits are fine and probably do catch more bigger fish, but my three largest kings (52.2, 44.1, 42.2) all came on live cigars. Just say'n.  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More important than bait is being where they are, of course.

But a big bait can help you stand out in a crowd, like if you're fishing at the River Channel during the US Open when its firing off.

Course, what the hell do I know. The biggest I've ever caught is 38.8 and I've about given up on king fishing unless they are real thick close to shore and I just want to show someone a good time.
  
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